Curse

arcanemacabre · May 16, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56

Would be a great world when people start buying armor because they like it, rather than because it's "rare". Same goes for all skins.

"rare" skins has always been a terrible idea, IMO.

Artkin · May 16, 2007, 07:18 AM // 07:18

just bought 100 ecto from MERCH at 5.5k each......

HOPE price goes up....

Knowing ANET...it won't

savage vapor 33 · May 16, 2007, 07:26 AM // 07:26

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Originally Posted by Ubernoob

So you can't save up more than a million gold... Boo-freakin-hoo. Personally I can't see how you would need or even want anymore than that. The only thing I can think of is just so you can go "Zomg everyone look how rich I am!!1!11!!1" which is pointless 'cause unless you're going to share we don't really care. How about, Oh I dunno, doing something OTHER than farming and then complaining about how you're loosing money on ecto. You people get no sympathy from me.

What a horrible argument. What if people make their money by doing HA, and getting the items from the chest? You obviously have never had 1 mil in your storage. And to say that people should do something other than farming, another VERY weak argument. People can do what they please during a game, obviously.

ichigo_panty · May 16, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

Congrats, you have just throw 550000 away. Watch it decrease even more.

Watching the game now, it is highly unlikely that they will goes up. Unless anet decide to nerf ecto drops or the introduction of eotn or even the introduction of UW amour crafter.

Artkin · May 16, 2007, 07:37 AM // 07:37

I know....had to clear some money space out though...so bought for 5.5k each.....if they go up cool if not oh well....

I think GWs is dying anyways....

I spent 2 hrs in Ascalon and Kamadan looking for noobs to help....

There were NONE!!! So my cash doesnt matter....gold is EASY to earn

Mash Legend · May 16, 2007, 07:45 AM // 07:45

that just the economy, prices rise and fall. when u but ectos it like buying a stock in a company. sometimes they will rise and u make money. other times they fall. i bet u wasent moaning when ur 8k ectos raise to 10k+ when the loot scale went a bit wrong.

=HT=Ingram · May 16, 2007, 08:27 AM // 08:27

How about enough already you greedy racketeering bastaches, the only reason someone would have OVER 1 million gold would be to sell it for $600 on the Virtual gold exchanged... Which MOST that have anywhere close to that or more prob made use of several times now... and as such are violators of the ROC and EULA, so in no way should Anet cater to them at all.

I have a few hundred plat now, and there is nothing that I can see that anyone would need to use it on really. Its nice to have a little for equipping new heroes and such, but still... I neither desire, nor respect people with fissure armor, nor do I really give a crap for paying for weapons I can just as easily get myself if I want it bad enough... So people with over a million bitching has got to be a joke IMO, I mean what REALLY would you waste money on if you have that? Is it really worth it? NO, it really isn't. ITS a God dam game for F sake. either play it, or quit, I don't care either way. as far as I can see your complaining about NOTHING. You already wasted your $149.97 for the game, by making it what you did. I however see my $179.97 as investment well paid for in months and months of game play, with tons of free content thats been added over the last 3+ years (including beta time).

Wow what a concept, Playing the game to attain rewards!!! Instead of spamming for hours to use your ebay gold to attain what you didn't earn. Shocker, Anet is turning against these people. wow... who would have ever thought that?

Now I'm not saying EVERY person with a million gold are ebayers, I know for a fact this is not the case. I have seen people with millions that literally marketed their way to it, with highly inflated farmed items... But now what good did it really do them? They now have everything they could possibly want, and really have nothing to waste their gold on now, so they resort to throwing it away often. THESE are legitimate players, that play a lot. So the market fluctuations in the NPCs to many of them are like OMG wow. OK finally I can clear some of this crap out cause its not really worth much anymore... Or I can equip some guildies, or whatever... The few I personally know are not worried one bit with the ecto drop, its just another thing they thankfully wasted some gold on... and can either hold on to, or use, or use as prizes...

I still can not wait till GW 2 and have the NPCs say things like "Ectoplasm armor??? EUWW that's gross!!" a Gaile suggestion. lol

sweat man · May 16, 2007, 08:32 AM // 08:32

i cant wait til a trader reset. i missed the first few, the mctigger clan bought over 3000 on the first 1. i missed it by 10 mins, gutted.
nways, the game will never have a balanced price for everything, i think its good that the market is real time to allow crashes to happen. reality check.
i myself have never had more than 200k, amour, weapons and the lack of time ive played pve is pretty much why, i have no idea where to farm effectivley, and only know 1 or 2 RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOd farming bars. i like people having elite stuff, it looks good and its something to aim for, they should be entitled to having this stuff.

noocoo · May 16, 2007, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by ichigo_panty

Not rich enough to buy any 15(no negative) weapon.

Soon, all the rare materials (sapphire, ruby, etc) will be <1k each .Finally, vabbian/fow for all.

Soon?

Let's wait and see.
Hope you won't forget what you are saying now.

blue.rellik · May 16, 2007, 08:40 AM // 08:40

I'm quite happy with this, I rarely farm in UW (since honestly it's one of the most boring places to me. I would rather farm minotaurs) except the occasional trapping group with my guildie so pretty much most of my ectos came from my ToPK runs

Hopefully they'll go down even more and I'll be able to afford obsidian armour for one of my chars

phil_carter · May 16, 2007, 09:59 AM // 09:59

The way I see it is that a lot of the players who invested in ecto in order to hold over 1mil gold saw a small drop and became scared that the fall would continue, they were right, but it only happened because they sold them. People flooded the market and caused this because they were terrified it would happen, I imagine this is still occurring. People see the price continue to fall and sell because they dont want to lose more. If you really want to stop the price drop, stop selling them.

It could also be possible that someone with a slightly evil nature who had lots of money decided t slowly horde ectos over the past 2 years, and has chosen this time to hurt all the players that invested in ectos by flooding the market with his collection, perhaps he/she wouldnt really have needed to do that much, as soon as the price fell a little my previous theory kicks in.

To summarise, the drop is not directly Anets fault, it is a result of fear.
On the bright side now you're only half way to that goal of yours, now theres many more hours of farming fun ahead...

Wildi · May 16, 2007, 10:15 AM // 10:15

Ecto price does not concern me, why ? Because one ecto is still worth 6-7k, finding one does still make people happy.

Rare armor drops concern me, why ? Because almost all runes are not worth anything, finding one does not make people happy anymore. That means it will be sold to merchant like a white item.

Tarus From Taros · May 16, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39

Once again people are jumping the gun. Ecto prices have plummeted lower then this in the past and will (like before) rise again. I have doubts it will ever reach such heights as 14k or near that but it will increase eventually. I'm making an early prediction that shortly after the release of GW:EN, at latest a few months, the prices will shoot back up. People will have a panic moment that their characters must get FoW with all the fortunes they made at powerselling or good 'ole farming. Of course GWEN will offer new Armors but unless the materials are more difficult to obtain or the skins are better in appearance FoW armor isn't going anywhere.

The only real competition I'd see to FoW armor is if they deceided to open new god areas with at least one new Armor Crafter inside it. But again, the materials would have to be at least as difficult to obtain or perhaps even harder and the skins would have to be on par. Even still, FoW armor has always been known as "The" status symbol of the hardcore PvE player so it will have to take a lot to bring down such a coveted item.

Gun Pierson · May 16, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41

The days that I worried about the economy in this game are long gone. Everything is rather cheap now. I enjoyed the market etc. the first 6 months when the game got released. Now ecto, gold and trade are just details to me and I wanne spend as less time as possible on those aspects of the game.

vdz · May 16, 2007, 10:44 AM // 10:44

The reason why ecto went up after Factions and Nightfall is because of the simple fact that there were new professions to play who had their own Obs armor. As you know in GW:EN their wont be any new playable professions. So i doubt it, but i could be wrong.

SniperF0x · May 16, 2007, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Rare materials are like stocks, high demand and low supply brings high prices, now the supply is high so the prices drop, live with it.

Tarus From Taros · May 16, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01

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Originally Posted by vdz

The reason why ecto went up after Factions and Nightfall is because of the simple fact that there were new professions to play who had their own Obs armor. As you know in GW:EN their wont be any new playable professions. So i doubt it, but i could be wrong.

I've put that into consideration. With exception to Factions, Ectos and Shards stayed pretty neutral during Nightfall's launch for the most part. What I see happening is that After GW:EN people will say "Is that it?". If no armor is created to replace FoW in value (or dare I say appearance?) then the result will be all of those who have horded cash will slam the market with WTB Ectos and Shards and the market will spike, possibly dramatically, shortly after all the hardcores get through the expansion.

I'll even go a step further in my prediction. I believe that if FoW armor is still as coveted after GW:EN then it may again drop in price do to Mini Expansions. There is far too large of a gap for Arenanet to not produce more content in between GWEN and GW2, so at least 1 or 2 Sorrows Furnace type expansions are likely. It is then highly probable to say that Arenanet will make at least one more final set of armor for the Guild Wars professions... these set(s) in turn, will make the price in Ectos and Shards drop at the lowest levels we can imagine. At that point i'd expect them to stay there. But hey, that's just my opinion ;p.

Arduin · May 16, 2007, 11:21 AM // 11:21

Nope. It's not concerning me. Il'l just go happily on Vanquishing some more area's. Meanwhile people are complaining about the 1,000k cap on storage, people leaving GW because of recent balancing issues, people whining because their stack of 500+ ecto suddenly became worthless... After 2 years, I'm still enjoying GW. Do you really expect I'd give a d*mn about those ecto prices?

Hyper.nl · May 16, 2007, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Ecto's have been overrated for a long time. Take a look at the basic merchant price which is 100g. This puts ecto's in the line with shards, amber and jadeite. For a long time they have been prieced above the rarest mateials like Diamonds, Rubies and Sapphires. These are 'worth' 250g which at least indicates they are considerably more rare than ecto's.

But like others said, it's like stock prices, they rise and fall with supply and demand and panic can cause havoc.

Changes in the game always influence prices, like the trade contracts have lowered the rare gem prices for a long time. Now everyone played through Nightfall and redeemed their trade contracts, the gems are slowly returning to their old prices again.

I traded all my ecto's for DoA gemstones just after the hard mode update, but the gemstones have been dropping in prices as well.

unbound00 · May 16, 2007, 11:51 AM // 11:51

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Originally Posted by Cj Two A

Exactly. It should never have been used as currency. But it did get used that way. And yes, I do know everyone says "use lockpicks". Well that's fine for the people who are just now making money and deciding where to put it, but plenty of people were "invested" in ectoplasms. You can't say that was stupid either(or at least not blame it on one person, because that was everyone's way of saving excess wealth, and the main means of trade for transactions over 100k). Simply put, the players made due with the trade system they had available to them. I am sure this will be called A-Net bashing, but it really was short-sighted to have a trade system that did not allow for high level transactions, or barring that a system that allowed over-achieving players to keep their money securely(Not subject to crashes caused by game mechanic changes).

Certainly there is the idea of keeping the prices down to make the game accessible to casual players. But thats what Weaponsmiths/1.5k armor Crafters are for. The idea(as i understood it) was that casual players could have the same stats/skills/effectiveness as the guy with FoW armor and a R8 15^50 Crystalline and still come out okay. And it worked. But this current economic change seems to be set on removing the hardcore player entirely, or at least all of his hard earned financial security. I don't understand why, and why nothing is being done about it.

I cannot say for certain that A-Net isnt doing anything about it, i really hope they are. If they are doing something about it it would be a good idea to let people know about it sooner than later as well. The sooner they say they are going to work on a fix the better because that will restore some "investor confidence" in the Ectoplasm market. And believe it or not, it does effect everyone in the game. Don't make fools of yourselves saying that people don't need over 1million gold. Noone needs to play the game at all really but they do. The rich/hardcore player plays a major part in making the economy viable and accessible to the casual/poor player. Rich players buy from poorer players. If the rich players are all waiting for the economy to stabilize and their financial backing to become secure thats less money trickling from top to bottom. And that steady flow of gold downwards is what allows the casual player to afford his +30 hp mod or 1.5k Chestpiece. The very things that allow the casual player to keep up with the hardcore player.

In short people need to realize that this is a real problem. Maybe you didn't have money in ectos. Maybe you've never seen 100k much less 1000k. It doesn't matter cause the people who have are part of the same system that lets you get on for an hour every few days and play the game and have fun doing it.

So after that nice long vent(had to cover my bum in every direction possible to keep flames away from this real point at the end).. I'm just as concerned as the original poster. And I'm asking A-Net: Are you going to do something about this?

I have a couple of things to say:
1) Guild Wars is not the stock market. Some people are missing the point of loot scaling completely. The reason why there's so much money and high prices is because of bots, and some people, flooding the game with gold. Loot scaling came to adjust that to what Anet thinks the game should be, more accessible to everyone. It's not about casual players being able to get the same as high end items by getting colector's, it's about casual players knowing that they can invest some time to get high end items rather than investing ALL their time for that to be possible.

2) You sound like a corporation. And I suggest you watch the movie Corporation. "This is a real problem"? "The rich make the poor happy from buying from them". You are the ones creating this problem and sustaining it as a problem by considering rich = better. Much like in real world, as yourself has stated, there is a few people influencing the game (economy) and affecting EVERYONE, which really means that they are making sure that "poor" players stay "poor" since these few people make it their living to just gather and gather wealth for no reason other than gathering it. Much like real world YOU are a problem, we don't NEED "rich" people/players dictating the economy or the norm, YOU are the ones making sure everyone else stays "poor" for the sake of your egos and let the masses pay the cost. Get real people...